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		<title>By: SoUThinkUreBetterThanAnyone</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2009/08/13-canadians-want-fewer-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-5040</link>
		<dc:creator>SoUThinkUreBetterThanAnyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypocrites!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypocrites!</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2009/08/13-canadians-want-fewer-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-4960</link>
		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The perspective on &quot;illegal immigrants&quot; would change a great deal with rebranding as &quot;disenfranchised immigrants.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The perspective on &#8220;illegal immigrants&#8221; would change a great deal with rebranding as &#8220;disenfranchised immigrants.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2009/08/13-canadians-want-fewer-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-4959</link>
		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are the &quot;Canadians&quot; in the poll, and who are the &quot;Immigrants&quot; in the poll?  Is this a poll to demonstrate how Anglo-Canadians are racist against Asian-Canadians?  Reading the comments, that seems to be the assumption, that the &quot;Canadians&quot; are Anglo, and the &quot;Immigrants&quot; are Asian, which is false. 

Non-native people started immigrating to the region of BC in the 1850&#039;s.  By the 1870&#039;s, the population in BC would be:  5000 Chinese, 15 000 Anglos and Francos from Eastern Canada and the States.   Chinese people have a historical stake in BC.  

Also, I look at Vancouver, and rather than seeing &quot;ethnic&quot; enclaves (&quot;ethnic&quot; means asian, right?), I see Anglo enclaves.  There definitely are those around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are the &#8220;Canadians&#8221; in the poll, and who are the &#8220;Immigrants&#8221; in the poll?  Is this a poll to demonstrate how Anglo-Canadians are racist against Asian-Canadians?  Reading the comments, that seems to be the assumption, that the &#8220;Canadians&#8221; are Anglo, and the &#8220;Immigrants&#8221; are Asian, which is false. </p>
<p>Non-native people started immigrating to the region of BC in the 1850&#8242;s.  By the 1870&#8242;s, the population in BC would be:  5000 Chinese, 15 000 Anglos and Francos from Eastern Canada and the States.   Chinese people have a historical stake in BC.  </p>
<p>Also, I look at Vancouver, and rather than seeing &#8220;ethnic&#8221; enclaves (&#8220;ethnic&#8221; means asian, right?), I see Anglo enclaves.  There definitely are those around.</p>
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		<title>By: qwertqwert</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2009/08/13-canadians-want-fewer-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-4948</link>
		<dc:creator>qwertqwert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an immigrant and I want less immigration.  I moved to Canada so I could live in Canada, yet I&#039;m here and I can&#039;t for the life of me understand what exactly I&#039;m living in.  Where is this multiculturalism we like to rave about?  Immigration is great if you balance it with integration and smart policies.  It isn&#039;t great when you open the floodgates and then let countries be fragmented culturally and linguistically.  Now banks have to have translations in foreign languages, libraries have special foreign events.....I drive through my neighborhood and I go through one huge pocket of Chinese homes and signs and people, then I go to the next area and its all South Asian.  Ethnic groups stick together, the linguistic barriers only seem to be going higher and higher...what kind of society are we leading ourselves into?  

I spent years learning English, Canadian history, etc, because I felt like immigrating was a huge step I should prepare myself for, and yet once I come here it seems like most people barely consider this a requirement at all.  

It was nice knowing you, Canada.  You had a nice thing going for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an immigrant and I want less immigration.  I moved to Canada so I could live in Canada, yet I&#8217;m here and I can&#8217;t for the life of me understand what exactly I&#8217;m living in.  Where is this multiculturalism we like to rave about?  Immigration is great if you balance it with integration and smart policies.  It isn&#8217;t great when you open the floodgates and then let countries be fragmented culturally and linguistically.  Now banks have to have translations in foreign languages, libraries have special foreign events&#8230;..I drive through my neighborhood and I go through one huge pocket of Chinese homes and signs and people, then I go to the next area and its all South Asian.  Ethnic groups stick together, the linguistic barriers only seem to be going higher and higher&#8230;what kind of society are we leading ourselves into?  </p>
<p>I spent years learning English, Canadian history, etc, because I felt like immigrating was a huge step I should prepare myself for, and yet once I come here it seems like most people barely consider this a requirement at all.  </p>
<p>It was nice knowing you, Canada.  You had a nice thing going for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2009/08/13-canadians-want-fewer-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-4944</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In true propagandistic form you have effectively LIED about the results of the poll. The poll was not about &#039;wanting less or more immigrants&#039;, it was about &#039;the impact of immigrants&#039;. Those are very different things. THE CLEAR MAJORITY OF CANADIAN BORN CITIZENS WANT LESS IMMIGRANTS. YES to immigration, NO to mass immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In true propagandistic form you have effectively LIED about the results of the poll. The poll was not about &#8216;wanting less or more immigrants&#8217;, it was about &#8216;the impact of immigrants&#8217;. Those are very different things. THE CLEAR MAJORITY OF CANADIAN BORN CITIZENS WANT LESS IMMIGRANTS. YES to immigration, NO to mass immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Immigrants are great, and important to our identity but there are way too many of them. Instead of a vibrant multicultural Vancouver, we have a big chunk of Chinese people living in an Asian-like landscape in Asian culture. It&#039;s not really Canadian. Simple as that. It&#039;s hard to swallow for socialists, but that&#039;s the reality. YES to immigration, NO to mass immigration, especially mega concentrations of one culture. And definitely NO to the socialist control of our media platforms in Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Immigrants are great, and important to our identity but there are way too many of them. Instead of a vibrant multicultural Vancouver, we have a big chunk of Chinese people living in an Asian-like landscape in Asian culture. It&#8217;s not really Canadian. Simple as that. It&#8217;s hard to swallow for socialists, but that&#8217;s the reality. YES to immigration, NO to mass immigration, especially mega concentrations of one culture. And definitely NO to the socialist control of our media platforms in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: UEL</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2009/08/13-canadians-want-fewer-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-4912</link>
		<dc:creator>UEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All polls done have shown Canadians against increased immigration.  I suspect that if &quot;new-Canadians&quot; were filtered out of the Angus-Reid poll, the results would be more in keeping with the US and UK results.  We&#039;re being done over by our leadership.  Our leadership represents business interests over majority interest and the businesses want a continued source of cheap labour to keep their profits up so they continue to promote the pro-immigration perspective...and you&#039;re right - it is unfair to immigrants. 

It reminds me a lot of NAFTA.  Every time a poll came out, the majority clearly said &#039;no&#039; no matter how it was phrased or what new information came out, but big business wanted it passed so it passed anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All polls done have shown Canadians against increased immigration.  I suspect that if &#8220;new-Canadians&#8221; were filtered out of the Angus-Reid poll, the results would be more in keeping with the US and UK results.  We&#8217;re being done over by our leadership.  Our leadership represents business interests over majority interest and the businesses want a continued source of cheap labour to keep their profits up so they continue to promote the pro-immigration perspective&#8230;and you&#8217;re right &#8211; it is unfair to immigrants. </p>
<p>It reminds me a lot of NAFTA.  Every time a poll came out, the majority clearly said &#8216;no&#8217; no matter how it was phrased or what new information came out, but big business wanted it passed so it passed anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: sn</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2009/08/13-canadians-want-fewer-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-4911</link>
		<dc:creator>sn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it all comes down to what &quot;canadian culture&quot; should be defined. do we want to stick with the &quot;frontier&quot; image or move on to become an international player in a forever-more globalized world? what should be our vision for canada? what do we want for our future generations. once you have a vision, you develop a plan to gear towards that direction. if the majority of canadian don&#039;t want more immigration, then don&#039;t. but say it upfront so ppl won&#039;t be attracted to come. for politicians, if you dare to roll out plan to accept fewer asian immigrants, you should clearly indicate that. don&#039;t hypocritically say you brace for multiculturalism on one hand and wiping out asian immigrants on the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it all comes down to what &#8220;canadian culture&#8221; should be defined. do we want to stick with the &#8220;frontier&#8221; image or move on to become an international player in a forever-more globalized world? what should be our vision for canada? what do we want for our future generations. once you have a vision, you develop a plan to gear towards that direction. if the majority of canadian don&#8217;t want more immigration, then don&#8217;t. but say it upfront so ppl won&#8217;t be attracted to come. for politicians, if you dare to roll out plan to accept fewer asian immigrants, you should clearly indicate that. don&#8217;t hypocritically say you brace for multiculturalism on one hand and wiping out asian immigrants on the other.</p>
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		<title>By: UEL</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2009/08/13-canadians-want-fewer-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-4910</link>
		<dc:creator>UEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born and raised in Vancouver.  As a multi-generational Canadian, I started not feeling &#039;at home&#039; in Vancouver in the late &#039;80s and realised in the mid-90s that the Canadian government had effectively committed genocide through immigration.  I think it&#039;s really sad because I love Canadian culture and think it had(has?) a lot to offer as a perspective, as an experience.  What a lot of new immigrants (especially urban Asian immigrants) don&#039;t understand is how much that culture is based on small numbers of people on large landscapes - the &#039;frontier mentality&#039;.  What I think of as Canadian culture simply can&#039;t exist at high urban densities as found in say, Delhi or Hong Kong.  The urban necessities prohibit the way the (pre-Trudeau) Canadian relates to each other and to the land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born and raised in Vancouver.  As a multi-generational Canadian, I started not feeling &#8216;at home&#8217; in Vancouver in the late &#8217;80s and realised in the mid-90s that the Canadian government had effectively committed genocide through immigration.  I think it&#8217;s really sad because I love Canadian culture and think it had(has?) a lot to offer as a perspective, as an experience.  What a lot of new immigrants (especially urban Asian immigrants) don&#8217;t understand is how much that culture is based on small numbers of people on large landscapes &#8211; the &#8216;frontier mentality&#8217;.  What I think of as Canadian culture simply can&#8217;t exist at high urban densities as found in say, Delhi or Hong Kong.  The urban necessities prohibit the way the (pre-Trudeau) Canadian relates to each other and to the land.</p>
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		<title>By: sn</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2009/08/13-canadians-want-fewer-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-4908</link>
		<dc:creator>sn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>john, thx for your honest comments. that&#039;s the point.... western countries do not want non-european immigrants. period. i hope our politicians can be that frank up front. so asians and muslims could stop their immigration dreams after all. keep the world polarized and everybody&#039;s happy and content (just like it was in china before the europeans forcefully opened it up.) so we asians could stop waning about not being treated fairly in canada/us/uk/australia/nz, and these countries wouldn&#039;t need to &quot;accomodate&quot; them to make their countries &quot;unattractive&quot;. that&#039;s right, if canada didn&#039;t open her arms in the first place, canada would remain a paradise. &quot;no chinese and dogs allowed.&quot;

bibi jones: i&#039;ve been in vancouver for over a quarter of a century now. i can tell you that my best time with vancouver isn&#039;t that of ten years ago, but 20 years ago... when we could walk safely, worry-free in downtown eastside... when we could walk to woodwards from chinatown after our weekly dim sum. tell me what kind of ppl are inhabiting the DTES today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>john, thx for your honest comments. that&#8217;s the point&#8230;. western countries do not want non-european immigrants. period. i hope our politicians can be that frank up front. so asians and muslims could stop their immigration dreams after all. keep the world polarized and everybody&#8217;s happy and content (just like it was in china before the europeans forcefully opened it up.) so we asians could stop waning about not being treated fairly in canada/us/uk/australia/nz, and these countries wouldn&#8217;t need to &#8220;accomodate&#8221; them to make their countries &#8220;unattractive&#8221;. that&#8217;s right, if canada didn&#8217;t open her arms in the first place, canada would remain a paradise. &#8220;no chinese and dogs allowed.&#8221;</p>
<p>bibi jones: i&#8217;ve been in vancouver for over a quarter of a century now. i can tell you that my best time with vancouver isn&#8217;t that of ten years ago, but 20 years ago&#8230; when we could walk safely, worry-free in downtown eastside&#8230; when we could walk to woodwards from chinatown after our weekly dim sum. tell me what kind of ppl are inhabiting the DTES today.</p>
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