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	<title>Comments on: China&#8217;s emerging strength in snowboading is a &#8216;Chinese invasion&#8217;: Globe and Mail</title>
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		<title>By: ChengFan</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5537</link>
		<dc:creator>ChengFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why don&#039;t they come over here to talk about it?  Oh yes, we have to wait for &quot;reply moderation&quot; with the threat of banning.  That&#039;s why we only talk amongst ourselves here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why don&#8217;t they come over here to talk about it?  Oh yes, we have to wait for &#8220;reply moderation&#8221; with the threat of banning.  That&#8217;s why we only talk amongst ourselves here?</p>
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		<title>By: ChengFan</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5536</link>
		<dc:creator>ChengFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the person over there says, &quot;Thanks for posting and driving home the key points.

It was insightful to read about this methodical and disciplined approach to competition, particularly in a sport that is currently perceived by its core group as being more &quot;fun&quot; and &quot;expressive&quot; than purely competitive.

What is more interesting is not the article itself, but the people who had read the article and twisted/misinterpreted the fundamental message. Hopefully it was through honest misunderstanding and not through blind pride, cultural sensitivity or a sinister agenda.

Even more interesting are the &quot;bandwagon hoppers&quot; who did not even read the article and simply agreed or trusted another person&#039;s interpretation. This is just one of many ways on how Serious Shit(TM) starts between groups of people.&quot;

Twisted/misinterpreted the fundamental message?

Another one said, &quot;The comment is used as a point to note the dramatic and astonishing improvement and change. It&#039;s not racist. The writer of the CIV article is freaking out over nothing. Reminds me of my exes.&quot;

The thing is I don&#039;t see them posting any point-to-point rebuttal on what our blogger here is complaining.

Why is that?  Because they employ &quot;reckless disregard of the truth&quot; and &quot;wilful blindness&quot;.

*Do you now understand why the Vancouver airport taser cops don&#039;t think they did anything wrong with Robert Dziekański?  Same logic.  But how does everyone else feel about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the person over there says, &#8220;Thanks for posting and driving home the key points.</p>
<p>It was insightful to read about this methodical and disciplined approach to competition, particularly in a sport that is currently perceived by its core group as being more &#8220;fun&#8221; and &#8220;expressive&#8221; than purely competitive.</p>
<p>What is more interesting is not the article itself, but the people who had read the article and twisted/misinterpreted the fundamental message. Hopefully it was through honest misunderstanding and not through blind pride, cultural sensitivity or a sinister agenda.</p>
<p>Even more interesting are the &#8220;bandwagon hoppers&#8221; who did not even read the article and simply agreed or trusted another person&#8217;s interpretation. This is just one of many ways on how Serious Shit(TM) starts between groups of people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Twisted/misinterpreted the fundamental message?</p>
<p>Another one said, &#8220;The comment is used as a point to note the dramatic and astonishing improvement and change. It&#8217;s not racist. The writer of the CIV article is freaking out over nothing. Reminds me of my exes.&#8221;</p>
<p>The thing is I don&#8217;t see them posting any point-to-point rebuttal on what our blogger here is complaining.</p>
<p>Why is that?  Because they employ &#8220;reckless disregard of the truth&#8221; and &#8220;wilful blindness&#8221;.</p>
<p>*Do you now understand why the Vancouver airport taser cops don&#8217;t think they did anything wrong with Robert Dziekański?  Same logic.  But how does everyone else feel about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Chinataren</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5535</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinataren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the difference between the west and china is like this. in the west its system of government has the time proven ability to fool people by making them believe in the system. in china , the system has less credibility and it feels more insecure about its ability to fool people so it wants to produce fools from the outset.&quot;
LW
2010 February 17

&quot;The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed:  From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.&quot; 
Robert Stack (1956 - 2010)
2010 February 18</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the difference between the west and china is like this. in the west its system of government has the time proven ability to fool people by making them believe in the system. in china , the system has less credibility and it feels more insecure about its ability to fool people so it wants to produce fools from the outset.&#8221;<br />
LW<br />
2010 February 17</p>
<p>&#8220;The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.<br />
The capitalist creed:  From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.&#8221;<br />
Robert Stack (1956 &#8211; 2010)<br />
2010 February 18</p>
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		<title>By: sn</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5534</link>
		<dc:creator>sn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is what they are discussing in the following forum:

http://www.revscene.net/forums/globe-and-mail-t606019.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is what they are discussing in the following forum:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.revscene.net/forums/globe-and-mail-t606019.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.revscene.net/forums/globe-and-mail-t606019.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: lw</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5532</link>
		<dc:creator>lw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chengfan  u have a good point  the olympics used to be for the amateurs only.  in the past two decades thanks to the commericialization argument  professionals can play too  so u have the american dream team in basketball that creamed everyone and all that.

the argument has always been when u compete against eastern bloc countries u cannot beat them b/c  they are state trained and sponsored  they are not real amateurs.    now  u can still hear the same criticism against china  fr countries like canada which is not funding her althelets like crazy and does not have very strong professional sports except in hockey 

anyway the olympics is about money politics and winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chengfan  u have a good point  the olympics used to be for the amateurs only.  in the past two decades thanks to the commericialization argument  professionals can play too  so u have the american dream team in basketball that creamed everyone and all that.</p>
<p>the argument has always been when u compete against eastern bloc countries u cannot beat them b/c  they are state trained and sponsored  they are not real amateurs.    now  u can still hear the same criticism against china  fr countries like canada which is not funding her althelets like crazy and does not have very strong professional sports except in hockey </p>
<p>anyway the olympics is about money politics and winning.</p>
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		<title>By: ChengFan</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5531</link>
		<dc:creator>ChengFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know why the Western people don&#039;t think this piece is biased?  Read the conceptual framework here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

&quot;Theories of white privilege assert that the experience of whites is viewed by whites as normal rather than advantaged. This normative assumption causes all discussion of racial inequality to focus on the disadvantages of other racial groups, and on what can be done to bring them up to white (i.e. &#039;normal&#039;) standards, effectively making racial inequality an issue that does not involve whites.&quot;

Remember, we are talking about the Olymics here.  Every country&#039;s athletes do practicing and training ALL THEIR LIFE, using government money (state-sponsored, &quot;full-time&quot; athletes), just so they can participate in the games.
(It is not like we pick some random people off the street to play the games)

How is it fair for Western countries&#039; men and women National Ice Hockey team to have players who play professional leagues like NHL,  National Women&#039;s Hockey League, Western Women&#039;s Hockey and various European leagues, when national teams from China, Japan, Korea don&#039;t have any professional leagues in their countries?

And what about all those Western countries&#039; athlete who are caught using performance-enhancing drugs?  Oh geez, why did they do THAT?  Why are they so desperate to WIN?

We understand them very well.  Why would they want to be fair?  Nope.  They only want--&quot;pride and supremacy&quot; wherever and whenever they can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know why the Western people don&#8217;t think this piece is biased?  Read the conceptual framework here:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Theories of white privilege assert that the experience of whites is viewed by whites as normal rather than advantaged. This normative assumption causes all discussion of racial inequality to focus on the disadvantages of other racial groups, and on what can be done to bring them up to white (i.e. &#8216;normal&#8217;) standards, effectively making racial inequality an issue that does not involve whites.&#8221;</p>
<p>Remember, we are talking about the Olymics here.  Every country&#8217;s athletes do practicing and training ALL THEIR LIFE, using government money (state-sponsored, &#8220;full-time&#8221; athletes), just so they can participate in the games.<br />
(It is not like we pick some random people off the street to play the games)</p>
<p>How is it fair for Western countries&#8217; men and women National Ice Hockey team to have players who play professional leagues like NHL,  National Women&#8217;s Hockey League, Western Women&#8217;s Hockey and various European leagues, when national teams from China, Japan, Korea don&#8217;t have any professional leagues in their countries?</p>
<p>And what about all those Western countries&#8217; athlete who are caught using performance-enhancing drugs?  Oh geez, why did they do THAT?  Why are they so desperate to WIN?</p>
<p>We understand them very well.  Why would they want to be fair?  Nope.  They only want&#8211;&#8221;pride and supremacy&#8221; wherever and whenever they can get.</p>
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		<title>By: lw</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5530</link>
		<dc:creator>lw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can u regard this article as  complimentary?  this article is written from a typical western standpoint.  the chinese are changing the nature of the sport .  they are gonna beat these &quot; traditional &quot;  fun loving snowboarders with their seriousness and determination to win.

the article is not being untruthful though.  when the korean women golfers  started to win all these  LPGA tournaments the americans called them the korean invasion.  the koreans  dominated  the LPGA for a while  but now other players have risen up to the challenge.

looking at it objectively,  this is how sports evolved  going fr  fun to fierce competition  going from sportsmanship to gamesmanship.  the fun level is reduced when people become more and more competitive.

i think  bias  is not the right word to describe the western press.  hypocritical is a better word.  because  of all the competitors in the world none is as competitive as the americans and  none wants to win at all costs as much as the americans.

get over it folks this is the white world  its their standards  u are being measured against.  be grateful if u can beat them in their own games and they do not change the rules on u. sports is one such area. there are not too many areas  where once  u show u  can beat them and they do not change the rules on u.

with china being ruled by a bunch of corrupt totalitarians  and many of the oversea chinese   becoming their ever  forgiving supporters.  good luck to u with respect to your constant ranting about western  superiority.

the difference between the west and china is like this.  in the west its system of government  has the time proven ability to fool people by making them believe in the system.  in china , the system has less credibility and it feels more insecure about  its ability to fool people so it  wants to produce fools from the outset.   mao resorted to burning books.  the current regime resort to producing fools under two categories: consumerism and nationalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how can u regard this article as  complimentary?  this article is written from a typical western standpoint.  the chinese are changing the nature of the sport .  they are gonna beat these &#8221; traditional &#8221;  fun loving snowboarders with their seriousness and determination to win.</p>
<p>the article is not being untruthful though.  when the korean women golfers  started to win all these  LPGA tournaments the americans called them the korean invasion.  the koreans  dominated  the LPGA for a while  but now other players have risen up to the challenge.</p>
<p>looking at it objectively,  this is how sports evolved  going fr  fun to fierce competition  going from sportsmanship to gamesmanship.  the fun level is reduced when people become more and more competitive.</p>
<p>i think  bias  is not the right word to describe the western press.  hypocritical is a better word.  because  of all the competitors in the world none is as competitive as the americans and  none wants to win at all costs as much as the americans.</p>
<p>get over it folks this is the white world  its their standards  u are being measured against.  be grateful if u can beat them in their own games and they do not change the rules on u. sports is one such area. there are not too many areas  where once  u show u  can beat them and they do not change the rules on u.</p>
<p>with china being ruled by a bunch of corrupt totalitarians  and many of the oversea chinese   becoming their ever  forgiving supporters.  good luck to u with respect to your constant ranting about western  superiority.</p>
<p>the difference between the west and china is like this.  in the west its system of government  has the time proven ability to fool people by making them believe in the system.  in china , the system has less credibility and it feels more insecure about  its ability to fool people so it  wants to produce fools from the outset.   mao resorted to burning books.  the current regime resort to producing fools under two categories: consumerism and nationalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Chinataren</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5525</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinataren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is so colloquial about the word &#039;invasion&#039;? 
Read between the lines..  Now who would be so conniving to drum up &quot;invasion&quot; under the peaceful banner Olympics, and  &quot;yellow peril&quot; is so passé. It is so telling when a convoluted mind cannot give a praise and credits where they are due. It is just too condescending. Besides, you don&#039;t want to risk being miscategorized by your peer as an Indian kisser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is so colloquial about the word &#8216;invasion&#8217;?<br />
Read between the lines..  Now who would be so conniving to drum up &#8220;invasion&#8221; under the peaceful banner Olympics, and  &#8220;yellow peril&#8221; is so passé. It is so telling when a convoluted mind cannot give a praise and credits where they are due. It is just too condescending. Besides, you don&#8217;t want to risk being miscategorized by your peer as an Indian kisser.</p>
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		<title>By: ChinkTalk</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5520</link>
		<dc:creator>ChinkTalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason wrote:  &quot;I’m not sure if English is the first language of this author, but many of the things that the article takes issue with seem to stem from a lack of understanding of colloquial English.&quot;

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Jason, in the name of democracy, human rights and equality, would you please give some examples of the colloquial English that you are talking about?

And please also explain what is being misunderstood.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason wrote:  &#8220;I’m not sure if English is the first language of this author, but many of the things that the article takes issue with seem to stem from a lack of understanding of colloquial English.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Jason, in the name of democracy, human rights and equality, would you please give some examples of the colloquial English that you are talking about?</p>
<p>And please also explain what is being misunderstood.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Han</title>
		<link>http://www.chineseinvancouver.ca/2010/01/chinas-emerging-strength-in-snowboading-is-a-chinese-invasion-globe-and-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-5517</link>
		<dc:creator>Han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She didn&#039;t write anything bad about chinese. You clearly misinterpreted the article.
She basically stated the facts. And actually suggested that canada learn a few things from china. 


fyi, I am chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She didn&#8217;t write anything bad about chinese. You clearly misinterpreted the article.<br />
She basically stated the facts. And actually suggested that canada learn a few things from china. </p>
<p>fyi, I am chinese.</p>
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